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raziskov

Number of posts: 5422 Age: 33 Location: Shah Alam-Bkt.Jalil-Jasin. Registration date: 2008-01-15
 | Subject: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Fri 18 Jan 2008, 11:34 am | |
| Setelah aku fikir2 masalah motor kita yang akan kita hadapi dulu,kini dan selamanye.Ada baiknye kita recordkan masalah/pengalaman yg pernah kita hadapi untuk rujukan kita dan kengkawan yg dah lama mahupun baru nak pakai motor jenis ni.So any soalan yg berkaitan boleh terus rujuk kat thread ni.Aku try applykan FMEA(Failure Mode and Effcet Analysis) kat sini.Sebenar dapat bentuk table tapi susah nak create.So tulis ikut format biasa la..harap kengkawan boleh sambungkan base on experience masing2... PROBLEM: Engine can't start.POTENTIAL CAUSES: 1. Battery 'kong'. 2. No fuel. 3. Starter Relay Problem 4. Fuse Blow 5. Carburator Overflow 6. Starter Lockout switch(clutch and motor side stand) RECOMENDED ACTION FOR: 1. Charging or replace new battery. 2. Go to Petrol station. 3. Replace new starter relay 4. Replace new fuse. 5. Servise carb 6. Make sure pulled in clucth and side stand is up. PROBLEM: Corner or Leper tak best.Bergoyang masa amik lap.POTENTIAL CAUSES: 1. Absorber 'kong'. 2. Bushing absorber haus. 3. Bearing tyre problem. RECOMENDED ACTION FOR: 1. Tanye Bro Shamz.Ganti monoshock baru. 2. Go NKS kecik and ask for new bushing. 3. Check ngan pomen or replaced new bearing. So. harap sifu2 kita boleh menambah ape yg patut...
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raziskov

Number of posts: 5422 Age: 33 Location: Shah Alam-Bkt.Jalil-Jasin. Registration date: 2008-01-15
 | Subject: Re: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Fri 18 Jan 2008, 11:51 am | |
| Alamak mod..silap tempat la..mintak tolong pindahkan ke Workshop Motor.boleh ke? |
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raziskov

Number of posts: 5422 Age: 33 Location: Shah Alam-Bkt.Jalil-Jasin. Registration date: 2008-01-15
 | Subject: Re: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Fri 18 Jan 2008, 3:38 pm | |
| PROBLEM: Motor semput.Jalan dalam 500m mati.Press minyak lebih pun enjin mati.POTENTIAL CAUSES: 1. Problem ni simple tapi menyusahkan kita kalau kena.Cuba check fuel tap.(pinjam gambar shamz..)  Sepatutnye ade 2 hose yg akan keluar dari fuel tap ni.Satu untuk minyak dan satu lagi untuk vacuum. Cuba check dua2 hose ni.Make sure salah satu benda ni tak tercabut atau terbengkok atau tersepit. RECOMENDED ACTION FOR:1. Pasang balik hose tu kalau tercabut atau tersepit.Kalau tak duduk koma tepi jalan macam aku kena ari tu. Nasib shamz suruh check benda ni.*Thanks to shamz for good info. |
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raziskov

Number of posts: 5422 Age: 33 Location: Shah Alam-Bkt.Jalil-Jasin. Registration date: 2008-01-15
 | Subject: Re: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Mon 21 Jan 2008, 2:43 pm | |
| PROBLEM: Macam- mane nak double stand.POTENTIAL CAUSES:1. Sebenarnye ini masalah nak double-stand ni ramai juga yg bertanya kat forum ni.Paling latest saudara guli.Mungkin saiz rider yg kecil atau pun motor memang berat.Tapi sekali dah dah dapat skill mesti takde masalah dimasa hadapan. RECOMENDED ACTION FOR:1.Pinjam dari nasihat kapitan tenuk"klu ko nak buh double stand ko pijak tuas pemijak double stand tu ke bawah...kena berdiri atas tuas tu....bagi berat max badan ko ke tuas tu....lepas tu tarik handle bar dan seat handle tu ke atas...jerk sikit baru senang... " 2.Dari saya sendiri"Nak double stand motor ni sebenarnye susah gak.Kalau badan bersaiz kecil n rendang macam aku lagi pun boleh mesti ko boleh punya.Cara aku..Masa nak double stand tu ko pegang handle and besi kat bawah seat bhgn belakang. Then ko pijak stand mcm kapten suruh tu serentak.Mesti boleh punya. Sila rujuk gambar.Saya dah bulatkan tempat yg perlu dipijak dan dipegang semasa nak double stand.   |
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raziskov

Number of posts: 5422 Age: 33 Location: Shah Alam-Bkt.Jalil-Jasin. Registration date: 2008-01-15
 | Subject: Re: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Mon 21 Jan 2008, 3:15 pm | |
| Masa aku pakai rxz dulu aku pernah mengalami masalah mcm ni.Tayar belakang gelung atau motor rasa tak stabil bila bwak slow.Nak lap pun tak sedap pasal bergoyang-goyang. PROBLEM: Tayar belakang gelung atau motor rasa tak stabil bila bwak slowPOTENTIAL CAUSES:1. selain daripada bushing..adakalanye problem ni berpunca dari bearing.Samada bearing tayar atau bearing spocket. POTENTIAL EFFECT:1.Problem ini akan mengakibatkan rantai kadang kala tegang dan kadang kala kendur.Bila dibiarkan..ia akan merosakkan rantai. Samada rantai anda akan crack atau pecah dibahagian gegelung ataupun akan putus bila2 masa. RECOMENDED ACTION FOR:Berdasarkan tunjuk ajar Bro Sham..kita boleh check samada masalah ni berpunca dari bearing atau tidak.  Cuba pegang tayar atau pun spocket motor anda.Gerakkan kiri n kanan.Jika terdapat gap atau ruang yg agak besar semasa digerakkan.besar kemungkinan bearing tayar atau spocket anda sudah kong atau pecah.So..pergi la tukar bearing yg sepatutnye.. |
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raziskov

Number of posts: 5422 Age: 33 Location: Shah Alam-Bkt.Jalil-Jasin. Registration date: 2008-01-15
 | Subject: Re: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Mon 21 Jan 2008, 4:55 pm | |
| Rasa2nye ramai dah kena problem motor tak boleh start walaupun neutral light menyala termasuklah diri aku sendiri.Tarik clucth terus boleh start.Kat sini aku nak share sikit knowledge aku yg tak seberapa tau ni...heehhee.. PROBLEM: Motor can't start even neutral light is ON.Pulled in clutch and motor automatically start.POTENTIAL CAUSES:Sebenarnye kebanyakkan motor2 besar termasuklah motor zzr250 kita ni dan termasuklah motor2 skuter dilengkapi interlock switch.Namenye "Starter Lockout Switch" dan "Side Stand switch".Positionnye kat clucth dan stand atau tongkat motor.    Base on wiring diagram:  Please see no.6.Bila motor tidak di'start',switch will be in right position.So ,12V direct from battery will make Neutral switch ON.(Lampu neutral). When clucth lever is pulled in, switch will move to left position and allow 12V complete d circuit inside starter relay.It will make starter motor ON. Masalahnye motor kita ni dah berusia,kadang2 switch no.6 tu tak berfungsi dgn baik.Kekadang perlu tarik clucth sebelum start dan kekadang tak payah tarik clutch. POTENTIAL EFFECT:Kalau kita tak tarik clutch,enjin takkan boleh start selagi takde 12V suplly pergi ke Starter relay. Kalau tak naikkan stand..enjin kita akan mati selepas masuk gear satu atau masa nak start jalan. RECOMENDED ACTION FOR:Untuk masalah ni..kita perlu tarik clutch dan please make sure stand motor kita dinaikkan semasa nak jalan. Bagi yg biasa wiring..sensor boleh dibypasskan. |
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guli_bulat

Number of posts: 247 Age: 23 Location: sg.besi-sekinchan (RED GIANT) Registration date: 2008-01-18
 | Subject: Re: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Tue 22 Jan 2008, 9:03 am | |
| nak tanyer skit.....moto x elok eh klu stp kali nk start tarik choke ader member bgtau jgn biasakn tarik choke aper pndangan bro raziskov |
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guli_bulat

Number of posts: 247 Age: 23 Location: sg.besi-sekinchan (RED GIANT) Registration date: 2008-01-18
 | Subject: Re: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Tue 22 Jan 2008, 9:07 am | |
| haaaa....lg satu pasl carbutor.... kdg2 biler mula2 start rpm rendah,kdg2 trus mati.... adjust skit carburator....da bwak jauh skit rpm mencanak nek biler stop kt traffic light... pnah skali rpm cecah 3000 (lepas throtle) kene la adjust balik.... esoknyer jd balik mcm biasa |
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darkrider Moderator

Number of posts: 2889 Age: 27 Location: Sentul-Bangsar-Penang (012-3377195) Registration date: 2008-01-14
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raziskov

Number of posts: 5422 Age: 33 Location: Shah Alam-Bkt.Jalil-Jasin. Registration date: 2008-01-15
 | Subject: Re: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Tue 22 Jan 2008, 10:53 am | |
| Guli, Mula2 kita kena tau defination choke dan fungsinye dalam engine. Defination of choke:Definition of the choke tells that it is a valve which has the aim to control the carburetor air flow of a fuel motorcycle engine. This way, through the choke we manage and reduce the air supply of the motor's engine and therefore have control over it. This is very important due to the relationship between the engine’s air amount and the fuel which can enter it. Through the restriction of air, the choke allows fuel to go into the engine, allowing it this way to start. This is what we do when we are starting our car and it is cold, the choke allows a great amount of fuel to go into the engine by reducing the air, and this is how cold engines can start without difficulties. The choke functions by controlling the air at the mouth of the carburetor. The carburetor's mouth is where this valve is and where it controls the air amount of the engine. Due to its function, the choke is indispensable for gasoline engine's to start functioning. Boleh dikatakan apabila kita menarik choke tu,sejumlah minyak akan masuk ke dalam engine dengan mengurangkan kadar kemasukkan angin.Macam kita force atau paksa minyak tu masuk la.. Pada pendapat seposen saya ni,kalau setiap kali nak start engine kita kena tarik choke..bermakna jumlah minyak yg sedia ada dalam carburator kita tu kurang dan tidak cukup untuk process pembakaran engine atau cambustion engine omputihnye. TAPI kekerapan menarik choke ni akan menyebabkan overflow didalam carburator kita.So sila rujuk DIY zzr..kat situ ada cara nak buang minyak bila overflow rasenye. Untuk masalah kedua tu.kejap rpm rendah..kejap tinggi ..adjust ok pastu jadi balik..ehmm..rase2nye ko kena pergi service carburator ko ni guli..sebenarnye susah gak nak setting semula carbuator motor kita ni..tapi apa kata ko bawak pergi jumpa Bro Shamz atau kedai Fahimi kat Jalan kebun klang tu..insyallah boleh settle dua2 problem ko tu punya... |
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darkrider Moderator

Number of posts: 2889 Age: 27 Location: Sentul-Bangsar-Penang (012-3377195) Registration date: 2008-01-14
 | Subject: Re: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Tue 22 Jan 2008, 1:13 pm | |
| pernah dengar org kata.. masa kita bawak topspeed, let say dah xleh pegi dah.. menten je 170km/h, kita bleh bagi laju lagi dgn tarik choke... betul ke?  |
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guli_bulat

Number of posts: 247 Age: 23 Location: sg.besi-sekinchan (RED GIANT) Registration date: 2008-01-18
 | Subject: Re: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Tue 22 Jan 2008, 1:31 pm | |
| waaaaaa.....bagus2.nnt free bwk pg jmap bro sahm or fahimi ler... service carburator baper? kene kumpol dwet gak ni |
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raziskov

Number of posts: 5422 Age: 33 Location: Shah Alam-Bkt.Jalil-Jasin. Registration date: 2008-01-15
 | Subject: Re: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Tue 22 Jan 2008, 3:51 pm | |
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chefbob

Number of posts: 1351 Age: 32 Location: Long Way Round Or Long Way Down Registration date: 2008-01-22
 | Subject: Re: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Tue 22 Jan 2008, 9:09 pm | |
| zzr ni kalau nak jaga enjin, maksimum berapa top speed? adakah zzr ni boleh diperah sehabisnya? 140km/j pun chef rasa laju gila dah. jalan jauh berapa kelajuan yang sesuai?  |
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raziskov

Number of posts: 5422 Age: 33 Location: Shah Alam-Bkt.Jalil-Jasin. Registration date: 2008-01-15
 | Subject: Re: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Fri 25 Jan 2008, 11:46 am | |
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jimf Crew

Number of posts: 6235 Age: 45 Registration date: 2008-01-15
 | Subject: Re: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Tue 29 Jan 2008, 10:52 am | |
| chef...speed kasi perah sekali sekala boleh laa.. Kalu enjin tip top memang leh cecah 170-190km. utk konstant speed 120-130km ok laaa. Tapi perlu ingat, kalu lepas perah 170km above tu perlu check enjin. Maksudnya kalu lepas perah tu ada bunyi-bunyi yg tidak menyenangkan especially bunyi teppet kuat atau lain2, cepat2 hantor bikin adjust balik. Sebab once benda dlm tu longgar...mcm2 boleh jadi... |
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chefbob

Number of posts: 1351 Age: 32 Location: Long Way Round Or Long Way Down Registration date: 2008-01-22
 | Subject: Re: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Tue 29 Jan 2008, 11:49 am | |
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azamreeves

Number of posts: 976 Age: 30 Registration date: 2008-01-15
 | Subject: Re: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Wed 30 Jan 2008, 8:36 pm | |
| pengajaran ayat dari southern ride.....kalau sebelum perah bunyi enjin smooth je dan kalau dah perah 170km/j..pastuh dengar pulak bunyi yg pelik...sila la periksa terus...jgn tunggu..huhuhu....kalau tak parah akibatnye |
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raziskov

Number of posts: 5422 Age: 33 Location: Shah Alam-Bkt.Jalil-Jasin. Registration date: 2008-01-15
 | Subject: Re: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Thu 31 Jan 2008, 12:21 pm | |
| Pinjam ayat Azam"pengajaran ayat dari southern ride.....kalau sebelum perah bunyi enjin smooth je dan kalau dah perah 170km/j..pastuh dengar pulak bunyi yg pelik...sila la periksa terus...jgn tunggu..huhuhu....kalau tak parah akibatnye" PROBLEM:Bunyi lain macam bila start enjin.(biase org ckp mcm orkestra..).Kalau shamz sekali dengar dah tau tepet or rocker arm problem..tabik spring la sifu..POTENTIAL CAUSES:1.Mungkin kita dah sampai masa adjust tepet.Sila rujuk DIY shamz utk adjust teppet. 1.Problem ni terjadi tak semestinya jadi selepas kita bawak laju2 sampai 190km/j tapi ada gak jadi bila kita lupa pasang skru selepas adjust teppet..hehehee..  ..akibatnye rocker-arm patah. Pinjam gambar dari Shamz:  Anak Panah menunjukkan kedudukan Rocker Arm motor Azamreeves yang dah patah...  Ini la benda yang dipanggil Rocker Arm... satu patah hujung, lagi satu patah dua... yang separuh tu tak jumpa... huhuhu... RECOMMENDED ACTION:1.Pesan dari sifu Shamz"Servislah motor anda sebelum join ride jejauh... kalau tak servis jangan bawak lelaju.." 2.Sila rujuk thread DIY untuk adjust teppet dari sifu Shamzx11. |
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kueh

Number of posts: 258 Age: 33 Location: kuantan Registration date: 2008-01-17
 | Subject: Re: FMEA FOR ZZR 250 Tue 05 Feb 2008, 12:22 am | |
| nk tanya: i. moto bile cecah 140kmh, rase gegar@oleng, ape sebab ar? ii. moto aku leh pegi 140kmh. pulas trotel pn cm tamau pegi lagi dh. sekian. terima kaseh. |
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